Curse

Sir Pandra Pierva · Feb 12, 2008, 09:54 PM // 21:54

man i always miss the fun times in GvG

6am3 Fana71c · Feb 13, 2008, 12:35 AM // 00:35

I still don't get it, why [ugly] ran AoB...
Doesn't matter anyway, they got their asses handed to them :S
Splinter on warriors = gg

blue.rellik · Feb 13, 2008, 03:52 AM // 03:52

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

It's one of those skills that are stronger for PvP than PvE, but has so many "buffs" that PvErs love to run. If you look at it, the speed boost is nearly completely useless in PvE, but very powerful in PvP. The holy damage is minimally useful in PvE outside of undead areas, but can be huge in PvP with players packing slashing shields and whatnot.

Seeing it in PvP will make bad players say "hey I saw it on TV it must be good then" only if they ran it in the first place. Otherwise, they'd just say "PvP builds have nothing to do with PvE builds" and continue to run their mending healing hands wammo instead of dragon slash warrior.

That said, in most cases lyssa and melandrus are still much better than balthazar, but it's undeniable that balthazar is a better PvP skill than PvE.

When I first read your post, I quickly skimmed over it and it instantly reminded me when Ensign said that tanking the NPCs at VoD should be done with a warrior since they can use Dolyak

But then I read your post properly and understood the context, it made sense

blurmedia · Feb 13, 2008, 02:12 PM // 14:12

...And now DF is using them. Can someone post that build?:S

Pyro maniac · Feb 13, 2008, 02:23 PM // 14:23

[StS] versus [epiQ]
Also AoB dervish.

Tyla · Feb 13, 2008, 04:49 PM // 16:49

I thought it would come to discussion that that GvG yesterday would come here...
Question to them about AoB - WHY THE HELL DID THEY USE IT?! O_O

moriz · Feb 13, 2008, 04:56 PM // 16:56

the build is essentially AoB, attacker's insight, grenth's aura, pious fury, chilling victory, and pious assault. fill out the remaining slots with whatever you want.

JR · Feb 13, 2008, 05:05 PM // 17:05

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

I thought it would come to discussion that that GvG yesterday would come here...
Question to them about AoB - WHY THE HELL DID THEY USE IT?! O_O

Because you no longer need Avatar of Melandru and Wearying to get a deep wound. With the buff to pious you essentially also free up your elite for other forms.

AoB has higher armor which allows you to extend deeper without fear of being spiked down, and the speed boost makes training opponents even more effective - as you can combine it with an IAS too.

Personally I'm still not a huge fan of it, but it is defiantely viable in the right build.

Arkantos · Feb 13, 2008, 08:42 PM // 20:42

Whoever created it created it. No use in arguing over it, because anyone can say they created it and get e-friends to back it up. End of argument.

blue.rellik · Feb 14, 2008, 03:37 AM // 03:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR

Because you no longer need Avatar of Melandru and Wearying to get a deep wound. With the buff to pious you essentially also free up your elite for other forms.

AoB has higher armor which allows you to extend deeper without fear of being spiked down, and the speed boost makes training opponents even more effective - as you can combine it with an IAS too.

Personally I'm still not a huge fan of it, but it is defiantely viable in the right build.

Wow....just wow, Izzy has succeeded in budging the tree!

Sirius-NZ · Feb 15, 2008, 10:28 PM // 22:28

AoB has always been reasonably popular in PvP. It's never been particularly good, but apparently there's enough of an illusion that it is for people to use it.

I shudder to think how you'd manage energy with the build above, by the way. Lot of 10e skills there.

Bowstring Badass · Feb 16, 2008, 12:36 AM // 00:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR

Because you no longer need Avatar of Melandru and Wearying to get a deep wound. With the buff to pious you essentially also free up your elite for other forms.

AoB has higher armor which allows you to extend deeper without fear of being spiked down, and the speed boost makes training opponents even more effective - as you can combine it with an IAS too.

Personally I'm still not a huge fan of it, but it is defiantely viable in the right build.

Frenzy on a dervish anyone?

xDusT II · Feb 16, 2008, 12:53 AM // 00:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ

AoB has always been reasonably popular in PvP. It's never been particularly good, but apparently there's enough of an illusion that it is for people to use it.

I shudder to think how you'd manage energy with the build above, by the way. Lot of 10e skills there.

Attacker's Insight gives you a free Chilling Victory and Pious Assault.

LightningHell · Feb 16, 2008, 07:00 AM // 07:00

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AoB has always been reasonably popular in PvP. It's never been particularly good, but apparently there's enough of an illusion that it is for people to use it.

You mean RA, because until recently there wasn't any use for AoB in more competitive play.

Sirius-NZ · Feb 16, 2008, 10:26 AM // 10:26

...there is now?

Generally, I mean RA yes, but it also applies to alliance battles. The case there is a little bit more compelling, but a Melandru build with Pious Haste is still better.

Ensign · Feb 16, 2008, 11:50 AM // 11:50

The change to Pious Assault broke Melandru's monopoly on Deep Wound. Without the tree, Dervishes lack a true go-to elite, and all your important abilities can be covered without spending your elite. All of the forms are on the table, as well as elites from any secondary you feel like bringing.

Avatar of Balthazar has a decent amount of PvP power; while it is up you can do anything you feel like doing. You're not going to blow up with 110 armor, and with the nerf to Pious Haste nothing can catch a Balthazar Dervish. The main knocks on the form are that it doesn't add any new abilities, and it doesn't really compress your bar - do you really want to play without a speed boost during the form's downtime? But in the absence of a killer elite, one that lets you run around and do anything you like has a lot of appeal, and I don't fault people for taking advantage of that at all.

Darkside · Feb 16, 2008, 02:25 PM // 14:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

The change to Pious Assault broke Melandru's monopoly on Deep Wound. Without the tree, Dervishes lack a true go-to elite, and all your important abilities can be covered without spending your elite. All of the forms are on the table, as well as elites from any secondary you feel like bringing.

Avatar of Balthazar has a decent amount of PvP power; while it is up you can do anything you feel like doing. You're not going to blow up with 110 armor, and with the nerf to Pious Haste nothing can catch a Balthazar Dervish. The main knocks on the form are that it doesn't add any new abilities, and it doesn't really compress your bar - do you really want to play without a speed boost during the form's downtime? But in the absence of a killer elite, one that lets you run around and do anything you like has a lot of appeal, and I don't fault people for taking advantage of that at all.

Melandru + Wearying strike is still better then anything and Pious Assault. You run the risk of stripping a critical enchantment at a really bad time be it one of your own or a monks prot. I don't really think it has broken any monopoly since dervish primary's most likely wont be using it.

Tyla · Feb 16, 2008, 02:32 PM // 14:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR

Because you no longer need Avatar of Melandru and Wearying to get a deep wound. With the buff to pious you essentially also free up your elite for other forms.

AoB has higher armor which allows you to extend deeper without fear of being spiked down, and the speed boost makes training opponents even more effective - as you can combine it with an IAS too.

Personally I'm still not a huge fan of it, but it is defiantely viable in the right build.

I expected Rush to be used to be honest.
Like the D/W AoM Dervish.

6am3 Fana71c · Feb 16, 2008, 02:42 PM // 14:42

Saw dR using it aswell recently. Kinda wierd... But yeah, I agree with Ensign, there isn't any viable elites for dervish out there except his formes, since they can cover everything they need without using elite skill (speed boost, ench removal, Deep Wound...). Only thing that bugs me is 30 sec cooldown with both AoB and Lyssa (which I prefer)...Maybe dervishes should pack [skill]Shatter Storm[/skill]
Lawl

blue.rellik · Feb 17, 2008, 06:07 AM // 06:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkside

Melandru + Wearying strike is still better then anything and Pious Assault. You run the risk of stripping a critical enchantment at a really bad time be it one of your own or a monks prot. I don't really think it has broken any monopoly since dervish primary's most likely wont be using it.

You do realize that a dervish is allowed to not use their skills?